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Doug G
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Solenoid

Post by Doug G » Mon Feb 09, 2015 23:28

The starte solenoid died on my Mini Moke. It was the original circa 1973 solenoid.

I had a choice.

1. Buy one in UK £7.00 and get my family to bring it out at Easter. = No moking until then.

2. Buy one in UK and get it posted out. Total +/-£15.00. = You know how long my Moking takes to get here =No moking until then.

3. Buy one in UK and get FedEx's/DHL out. Total +/-£57.00. = No moking for 4 days.

4. Buy one in here £48.00. = 6 hour delay to moking.

5. Sell the Mini Moke as is. = No more moking.

What would you do?

I took option 4. :mrgreen: :?

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Re: Solenoid

Post by Tim » Tue Feb 10, 2015 0:34

What I did was option 6. Rat pile of spare parts to locate early push button style solenoid.

Original early ones seem to be very long lasting, but if they do fail they can be manually operated by pressing the button on the end.
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Technically speaking a solenoid is an optional extra, you can still drive a Moke without one, its just not very convenient to get started.

I've heard that a lot of the modern ones don't last very long. I'm not sure whether that's just the early style ones or the later ones as well. These days, even stuff labelled "Lucas" is just repro, often made down to a price in the far east.

There's two things that tend to go wrong with them. Either the coil in the electromagnet burns out, in which case they don't do anything, or the electrical contacts burn and stop working, in which case they'll click, but you might have to try them several times before they do anything - until they stop completely.

In your circumstances, buying locally probably isn't a bad idea. Can you get stuff from the US suppliers any cheaper?

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Re: Solenoid

Post by Doug G » Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:02

It is less expensive (I nearly wrote 'cheaper') to buy in UK IF I can wait. I know a number of people that come out regularly so can always ask them to bring them. in their suitcase.

Heavy parts are a bit more difficult.

Remember too, that I also have to pay 59.2% Import duty etc on the CIF (Cost Insurance & Freight) on the part if shipped in.
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Re: Solenoid

Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Tue Feb 10, 2015 17:42

Just out of interest Doug, does your solenoid have a rubber top? Some of the early ones that look like the one in your picture and if you press the top it will work manually
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Re: Solenoid

Post by Doug G » Tue Feb 10, 2015 18:46

Nigel(no top)Sykes wrote:Just out of interest Doug, does your solenoid have a rubber top? Some of the early ones that look like the one in your picture and if you press the top it will work manually
Mine looks like this:

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There is no 'rubber' button. :(
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Re: Solenoid

Post by Doug G » Fri Feb 13, 2015 19:20

My understanding, so I am led to believe, is that you can start a Mini Moke using that rubber button on those 'older' versions of the solenoid. Is this correct? :D
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Re: Solenoid

Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:55

Pressing the rubber bit will turn the engine over, yes. If the ignition is on then it should start.... If you look at your solenoid there is a lump in the black bit between the two large terminals, on early versions that little bit could be pressed and would do the same thing.
Of course you could always short out the two terminals, a big spanner worked for me, there's usually a big scary flash and the engine starts, mind you the spanner tends to look a bit unhappy after this mistreatment :?
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Re: Solenoid

Post by Robin Jones » Sat Feb 14, 2015 15:05

If you actually enjoy your Moke starting, don't purchase a new one like Tim pictured.
I never had any luck getting one to last even six months. Never bothered to tear one apart but I've been told that there's an internal circlip that doesn't have enough of a groove to keep it in place. Once it pops off, both the solenoid and push button are worthless.
I tend to use the one Doug pictured. (Same as an old Ford)
Although I have sourced a NOS pushbutton solenoid I just haven't bothered fitting it yet.
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Re: Solenoid

Post by 4XMOKE » Sat Feb 14, 2015 21:16

Doug,
I'd go for the option of parking on a hill, or flashing across the solenoid with the wife's best sewing scissors/kitchen implements/brass ornaments etc.

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Re: Solenoid

Post by Tim » Mon Feb 16, 2015 0:40

Early Minis (I think they changed to electric start solenoids by the time the Mokes came along) only have a push button start. The button is on the floor beside the gear lever. You turn the key to the run position (it only has a choice of off or on) lean down and press the button. The engine whirs over and starts. Its nice and simple.

When they first started fitting electrically operated solenoids, they used the style I showed above, which can work either way, but you do need the bonnet up to do it, so make sure its not in gear or you might run yourself down.

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Re: Solenoid

Post by Doug G » Thu Feb 19, 2015 19:03

Just to say that the replacement operation went well and the Mini Moke starts well now.

My wallet is looking a bit slimmer now

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Oops wrong picture That was the 'BEFORE'

This is the 'AFTER'

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