Moke Engine, subframe removal

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j Beeton
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Moke Engine, subframe removal

Post by j Beeton » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:00

Hi,all first of a million questions!! Having managed to get the engine in my new toy to turn over- pouring diesel into cylinders and rocking the car in gear over a week period, I am now not sure as to next step. Should I try to turn over on the battery/starter motor and or try to start the car , or should I know take the engine out and check it over first- it has been stood for 23 years and has done around 7k miles so I dont want to damage it.
If it has to come out how? I seem to remember the engine mounts are undone from the engine side of the subframe
which with a fixed grill will be impossible?, also the radiator likewise... Is there a secret moke trick to doing this!!
Finally for now , I would like to clean up the rear sub frame, is this relatively easy to remove?
Thanks...James :)

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Re: Moke Engine, subframe removal

Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Thu Dec 12, 2013 20:29

It's just one of the joys of mini :D Seriously though, the two engine mounts have bolts that are accessible from the outside of the subframe. Look under the wheel arches (easier to see with the wheels off). Admittedly you'll probably have to slide a 1/2"spanner up the inside to hold the bolt head , but it IS possible
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Re: Moke Engine, subframe removal

Post by Robin Jones » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:48

Me? As long as the engine turns freely, I would take a shot at starting it up. When you first started breaking it loose, either the rings freed up or broke up.
If you decide to pull the lump, think about what other work needs to be done. I pulled mine subframe and all out the bottom since I had a lot of work to do on the suspension. (Much easier on the bench than on the car)
Top or bottom removal, just make sure you take a photo like this....
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Re: Moke Engine, subframe removal

Post by j Beeton » Fri Dec 13, 2013 18:46

Thanks! Great photo, didn,t realise you could get a pedal car version of a moke :D

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Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Fri Dec 13, 2013 18:56

More like a whack-a-mole game :lol:
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Post by Motor-Mouse » Fri Dec 13, 2013 20:06

Great Photo.... M-M
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Post by spider » Fri Dec 13, 2013 20:53

Nice friendly engine you have there Robin :)

Not too many like yours! Most bite!!


James - if you are going to start your engine, I'd suggest changing the oil and oil filter then winding it over until you get oil pressure up, then start it. That it was locked up after such a long storage period, I'd say as others here have that the rings were rusted to the bores, consequently, the bores will have a divit in them where the rings were and the face of the rings (at the very least) will be scuffed beyond usability. You've not much to loose from giving it a run, but I wouldn't get high hopes of it not being a smoker. You'll also find probably that the oil seals will have gone hard and won't seal too well.
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Re: Moke Engine, subframe removal

Post by Motor-Mouse » Fri Dec 13, 2013 22:45

I agree with the last post, it'll probably smoke anyway, and if it were me, for the cost of a head gasket and a few hours of cleaning, I'd be all for having a look in the bores first. Once a rod has gone through the side of an engine block, your matching numbers car will just be another Moke, with the wrong engine!, Plus its fun taking a look first, and will teach you one of the simplest tasks on an A series engine...., but if you are going to be taking the whole thing out and in to pieces anyway, why bother seeing it run until you built it up nice and new... I really don't see what he rush is. I certainly wont just be firing my new/old barn find Moke up to please a five minute head rush for it going vroom, to give myself weeks of potentially expensive work if it seizes, or drops a valve head off...... At least change the oil, and check there isn't a score in the bore first.....

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Post by Robin Jones » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:16

Motor-Mouse wrote:Sesame Street came to mind.... Great Photo.... M-M
Well, at least I didn't get any Ned Flanders references. :roll:
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Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:05

Diddly did :D
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Post by j Beeton » Sat Dec 14, 2013 18:50

Thanks all, the cautious route was what I had in my head, but the old slap some fuel in and fire up was beckoning!! So I will take the risk free route and take the engine out and give it a once over... And anyway I need to get a photo poking out of the engine bay , mine will be Mr grumpy though! Natural expression for a Project Manager.
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Post by grantourer » Sat Dec 14, 2013 23:56

j Beeton wrote:Thanks all, the cautious route was what I had in my head, but the old slap some fuel in and fire up was beckoning!! So I will take the risk free route and take the engine out and give it a once over... And anyway I need to get a photo poking out of the engine bay , mine will be Mr grumpy though! Natural expression for a Project Manager.
:evil:
hang on a minute. I am a project manager, and definitely no grumpy!!
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Re: Moke Engine, subframe removal

Post by Doug G » Thu Dec 19, 2013 16:25

j Beeton wrote:Thanks all, the cautious route was what I had in my head, but the old slap some fuel in and fire up was beckoning!! So I will take the risk free route and take the engine out and give it a once over... And anyway I need to get a photo poking out of the engine bay , mine will be Mr grumpy though! Natural expression for a Project Manager.
:evil:
You might consider cleaning the carburettor jet and float chamber etc before you try starting it.
Having a moking good time!

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